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And there's a lot to talk about. We've had William Tompkins on the program several times before. We've talked about the space fleet we have. We've talked about where we have gone in our solar system and, perhaps, elsewhere. I don't have the answers. All I have are questions. And I listen to what Bill says.
Maj. George Filer is standing by tonight. Are you there, George?
Maj. George Filer: I'm here.
Rense: Where are you?
Filer: I'm in Augustine, Florida.
Rense: That's America's oldest city, isn't it?
Filer: Yes, it is.
Rense: Does it make you feel younger?
Filer: Ha. I don't know about that.
Rense: Well, you're in the oldest city, you've got to feel pretty good. And Frank Chille has made this program possible once again – a colleague of George's and mine and a friend of yours. Are you there, Frank?
Frank Chille: I'm here. Good evening, Jeff.
Rense: Good evening. Tell us . . . Tell us a little bit about Bill Tompkins for our first timers, and we'll get to Bill in just a couple minutes. What are we going to hear tonight? Tell us about the first book of apparently a series of books that his near photographic memory of his remarkable life has made possible.
Chille: Well, his first book, which is available to the public and is creating quite a stir, is called “Selected by Extraterrestrials” and it discusses how Bill was tapped on the shoulder . . .
Rense: Talk a little louder would you Frank, please. Just jump right in the phone.
Chille: Good. It looks like Bill was tapped on the shoulder at a young age by the military to come in and use his photographic memory to work on projects that they thought he would be capable of as a draftsman. However, that went well beyond that and opened the door to him being involved in some secret projects and working with individuals that he believed were not from here because they were helping him in his work. And he was at the cutting edge of a lot of things that we've only dreamt of and, yet, so many of the things that are coming forward now and were revealed in his book are being correlated by the likes of Corey Goode and by Gary McKinnon, and he's providing us with much more levels of detail than we ever thought we'd have access to.
And I've had several nice discussions with him over the last couple of weeks, and he is just so quick coming and his integrity is just so . . . He's of such high integrity and his story just needs to be told.
Jeff, I really congratulate you for bringing him forward again to share more of his amazing life. He's a remarkable individual on all levels.
Rense: He is indeed that. George Filer, what are your thoughts on Bill Tompkins at this point?
Filer: Well, he has a lot of interesting information that we're correlating and is tied together with, just like you mentioned, McKinnon who looked into the deepest secrets of the U.S. and came out with this information about having a space program that's not part of the normal space program that we think about but a secret one. It's very exciting.
Bill is able to correlate this information with other information that we're getting. We try to make sure that all of this is being brought to the public. And interestingly enough, some Air Force generals and Navy generals are encouraging us to bring this information forward to the public.
Rense: Okay, run that by me in slow motion. That's really important. Certain Air Force generals and others are encouraging whom to bring the information forward?
Filer: Well, for Bill to bring his information forward. Admirals as well as generals are encouraging us to bring this information forward to the public.
Rense: Okay, well, we're going to do that. Now, let's say 'Hello' to Mr. Tompkins. Hello, Bill, welcome back. Thanks for being here. How are you?
William Tompkins: I'm going great. It's a real __ for me to be with you professional people.
Rense: Oh, give it a break. Come on. You're an amazing man, and for our skeptics out there – we have skeptics, if even half of what you say is true, it is the most astounding story that I've every heard. So, bravo to you on all counts for being recognized, for being talented, for using your talents.
And Bill Tompkins had a patriotic passion for this country that few have, and that's one of the reasons that his brilliance and his genius was put to such viable work by the powers that be. It's one of those fluky kind of things. It would be a great, major motion picture. Maybe it will be. Who knows.
You remember . . . Bill, I think you were first on this program with your story, or nearly first, and since then, I think you've been on other programs, and certainly my colleague, Jay Weidner has had interviews with you or certainly one long one, and others. Have you had a lot of exposure?
Tompkins: It's probably sort of unusual because when the book hit the public, frankly, we weren't sure whether people would buy into what was going to be said. And now MUFON, for instance, that organization that investigates UFOs, I've done three different programs with them alone. And it seems like whoever calls for that meeting, collects people that don't even belong in their organization, because it's jammed. And somebody is really supporting the book and I hope it's you fellas.
Rense: Well, it's all looking good and the first book is out. How many would you like to do, again, Bill, in the series?
Tompkins: We're pushing for four of them, because we really can't get all of the information into just one or two books.
Rense: I agree. There's so much I've heard already, I don't know how you could get it into one book or two. No way. All right. Where we were last when you were on this program, you were getting near to going to work for Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, I believe.
Tompkins: Yes, that's correct.
Rense: So let's rewind and start right there, if you want - when you joined them, how you joined them and what they were doing.
Tompkins: Okay, I'm going to alter this slightly and just mention in between having left Douglas, being fired after 12 ½ years, and then a situation where I went to work for North America – Rocketdyne. My secretary at Douglas called me after I had been fired and told me to contact one of the top people in NASA because they had a program set up for me.
So I called Dr. Debus, who was . . .
Rense: Yes, Dr. Debus, for our listeners, Wernher von Braun's, you say assistant. It may well have been his superior back in Germany, we don't know - a Paperclip scientist, a brilliant man. Dr. Debus ran NASA in its inception years and was just an incredible asset.
The Germans took us into space, folks. They took us everywhere. It was all about German brilliance – not Nazi brilliance – German scientific brilliance. These men were under threat of death if they didn't produce and put out, and I think the vast majority of us would probably do the same thing they did. Go ahead.
Tompkins: Well, I agree with you. That's definitely the way it happened. Well, I called Dr. Debus, and he said he had a corporate engineering position for me to go to work for a North American company, which had Rocketdyne as a propulsion group, and then the space shuttle as another group.
And so I called him and they set up a program for me, and essentially I spent another four years doing almost the same thing that I had been doing at Douglas. So it was very interesting later when I got another call which said that there was some special work that they would like to have me to assist in over at TRW in Redondo Beach.
Tompkins: So I reported to the people there and I was asked to put together a quick proposal and then implement a, what you would call, a station control area, which TRW, Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, has this vast futuristic company 12 blocks from the ocean over at Redondo Beach.
Rense: Yeah, you know my dad was . . . I think I mentioned to you. My father was a director of public relations for Douglas and would go to the Cape all the time for launches. He knew many of the people you knew, and he would talk to me about Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, TRW. He knew so much and I wish he could have shared it with me, but I was a little young and he just did let on that there were some pretty amazing things going on.
Tompkins: Amazing is . . .
Rense: The understatement.
Tompkins: . . . the understatement. Now people had actually organized TRW as Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, and they were the people that were sort of doing the pushing in the secret think tank of Douglas for many military programs, missiles and developments and space stations. All kinds of stuff were being worked on. They had some money and put this organization together and built this futuristic campus. It's actually . . . You have to go there to get the feel of . . . You know you're in space when you're at that campus. It was unreal.
Rense: What an amazing statement. Wow! How interesting.
Tompkins: And the feel for just being there and contributing is throughout the entire facility. It's a totally different atmosphere. Of course, all of you know that later on Northrop Grumman bought TRW.
Rense: And it changed.
Tompkins: And then later on, because of the kilometer-long space ___that we were designing at Douglas, I continued that same program at TRW as one of my hobbies there.
Rense: Okay. Hobbies. Now that's interesting. If that was a hobby, what was your legitimate full-time job description?
Tompkins: Ha, ha, ha. I truthfully can say that I was sort of an off-ball assistant to the Vice President.
Tompkins: Essentially, TRW had hundreds of separate small laboratories, and all these were secret to one another. They didn't communicate with other organizations.
Rense: Compartmentalized. Yeah. Got it.
Tompkins: Yeah. And unbelievably. So this facility, essentially, was given money – by whom, I guess we going to have to keep off of that – to . . .
Rense: It wasn't me, Bill. It wasn't you, so it obviously came from . . . It had to be black ops money. That's okay.
Tompkins: Yeah, you're right. This facility had the money to study everything. There was no subject that was prohibited. They weren't just looking at space science or astronomy, or even vehicles or astronauts. They were looking at EVERYTHING. Many sub-labs were actually studying the same subject. Up to as many as three or four labs studying the same subject totally independent.
Now, for whatever reason, they took this guy, Bill Tompkins, they gave him a secretary and office, which was with glass windows that were floor to ceiling and carpeting and futuristic furniture. I mean, it's unbelievable.
Anyway, what I was suppose to do is to go to these different labs and hear what their programs were and let the people that were doing that study on that particular area tell me what they thought they should be doing and I was a consultant to the group.
Rense: Hey, Bill, excuse me. Can you give me an idea of one or two of these independent labs? And you say there were dozens and dozens of them. But what are some of the eclectic things that they were working on?
Tompkins: Well, there were the tunnel people. And, essentially, as many of you know, the Earth is filled with massive caverns all over the planet.
Rense: And tunnels connecting them.
Tompkins: And then they have this tunnel system that connects them. So in that particular program it was an Air Force study which was then implemented by TRW. And so, yes, we talked to Air Force people – not just the people that were doing the study at TRW. And we find that the Air Force had built these block-long digger machines, whatever you want to call them, to bore holes.
Rense: Teleboring machines.
Tompkins: And so they would be a block long. They would have a crew of 30 to 40, and they would drill through rock at a programmed rate and make new tunnels. And then they would put railroad tracks on them and __ these fairly high-speed vehicles that would run from the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. to the Air Force facility out on the desert and then up to the launching areas in California for the missile launches.
Rense: In other words, you're saying they would go to places like China Lake, out there in the Mojave, and then on to Vandenberg as well. Correct?
Rense: Okay. Let me say one thing about those tunnel-boring machines. There aren't many pictures of them for obvious reasons. There is one picture of one from the 1970s. It's huge. It's painted white, as I remember the picture. And on the side of it is a U.S. Air Force star and a bar logo - the likes of which you used to see on Air Force planes and still do, I guess.
And I said, what the hell, is an Air Force logo doing on a tunnel machine? But, you've just answered the question.
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